The Australasian AID Conference, held annually in partnership with The Asia Foundation, has become an integral part of the Australian and regional aid calendar. We are pleased to announce ACC2025 will be held from Wednesday 3 to Friday 5 December at the Australian National University in Canberra. In this episode, we feature three speakers from the 2024 conference. Plus we talk to the Development Policy Centre’s Senior Research Officer Camerson Hill about how you can apply to speak at this year’s event and support available for early career researchers based in Australia and developing countries.
The Australasian AID Conference (AAC), held annually in partnership with The Asia Foundation, has become an integral part of the Australian and regional aid calendar.
We are pleased to announce ACC2025 will be held from Wednesday 3 to Friday 5 December at the Australian National University in Canberra.
The aim of the conference is to bring together researchers from across Australia, the Pacific, Asia, and beyond who are working on aid and international development policy (the AID in the conference title) to share insights, promote collaboration, and help develop the research community.
In this episode, we feature three speakers from the 2024 conference held in December:
View other AAC2024 presentations and selected sessions on Devpolicy YouTube.
Plus we talk to the Development Policy Centre’s Senior Research Officer Cameron Hill about how you can apply to speak at this year’s event and support available for early career researchers based in Australia and developing countries.
Visit the 2025 Australasian AID Conference webpage.
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Jack Hennessy 00:00
I was just meeting so many people and having great conversations, and there was no egos in the room, and there was no hierarchy about people who've been working with for the sector for 40 years, versus early career researchers, or people who've been in it a little bit shorter period. So yeah, it was awesome. Everyone was open.
Acknowledgement 00:28
We wish to acknowledge the indigenous people of Australia, the wider Asia, Pacific region and other parts of the world, and express our respect for their traditional knowledge and practices, which stem from a deep connection to the lands and waters they've inhabited for millennia.
Amita Monterola 00:47
Welcome to Devpolicy Talks, the podcast of the Development Policy Centre. We're part of the Crawford School of Public Policy at the Australian National University. I'm Amita Monterola, and we're recording today in the Centre's cottage on the ANU campus located on Ngunnawal and Ngambri land. This is the second episode of our 2025 season, and this year, we continue to bring you a mix of interviews, event recordings and in-depth documentary features relating to the topics we research at the center, namely, Australia's overseas aid development in Papua New Guinea and the Pacific and regional and global development issues. Today, I'm joined by the Centre's Senior Research Officer, Cameron Hill, as we look back at the 2024 Australasian aid Conference, which we organized here at the Crawford School. Plus we have an announcement about our 2025 event. Welcome, Cam.
Cameron Hill 01:41
Thanks, Amita. It's great to be back on the podcast in 2025 we held a really successful conference in the first week of December last year. We had around 600 conference delegates, a great selection of keynotes and a great mix of researchers, practitioners and Development Policy makers. We had conference participants come from over 20 countries outside Australia and New Zealand, and we had a particularly strong turnout from our friends from Indonesia and Cambodia last year, which was terrific. And we had some great highlights. Ellie from Femili PNG gave a really inspiring and important keynote at the conference dinner. Masood Ahmed, President Emeritus of the Center for Global Development in Washington, gave us a terrific tour de force of contemporary global development in his Mitchell Oration. He was terrific. It was also great to see the return of 3MAP as a key feature of last year's conference.
Amita Monterola 02:49
For those not familiar, 3MAP is a three minute aid pitch where you get to tell the audience and convince them about your great aid idea. And it was lovely to see a Pacific participant, Natasha Turia, taking out that award this year.
Cameron Hill 03:08
3MAPs are always a great way to close the conference. The conference is also a really good network, keeping opportunity for the sector and a great way for the sector to close out the year. And last year's conference was our 10th conference, the 10th birthday of the Australasian aid conference, and also marks 10 years of our partnership in delivering the conference with the Asia Foundation, which was terrific.
Amita Monterola 03:32
And you can check out the 10 years anniversary video, which is on YouTube at the moment.
Cameron Hill 03:38
We also live streamed some of our keynote sessions, plus a selection of the panel discussions, which you can also find on our YouTube channel at Dev policy. Immediately after the conference, we uploaded more panel recordings and presentations, so check those out online.
Amita Monterola 03:57
But today we're going to feature a further three conference speakers, then we'll give you some tips on how to join us at Devpol's 2025 events presenting your research and your organisation's recent learnings in the aid and international development sector. But first, let's announce the dates for this year's event.
Cameron Hill 04:17
Yes, very exciting news, so please mark your diaries for the AAC on the third to fifth of December in 2025 there will be the same dates as last year, but importantly, different days. So this year's conference will be held from Wednesday to Friday, not Tuesday to Thursday, as has been the case for the last couple of years. As you plan your year and your organization's participation, you may want to give early consideration to becoming an AAC sponsor. We do have limited spots for these sponsorships, so please get in touch with us if you're interested in sponsoring this year's event.
Amita Monterola 05:09
Thanks. Cam. We'll now hear from three speakers about their experiences at AAC, 24 Dr Phoury Bun from Cambodia, Ruth, Honculada-Georget from the Food and Agriculture Organization in the Philippines, and Jack Hennessy, an Australian PhD candidate from Monash University, then we'll hear what you need to do to apply for this year's conference and travel subsidies that are available for selected researchers to assist you to come to Canberra.
Phoury Bun 05:45
My name is Phoury, and I'm a research fellow at the Cambodian Development Resource Institute and I'm very excited to join this conference to present my research topic on information need assessment for persons with disabilities in Cambodia.
Amita Monterola 06:00
So what are the main findings that you'd like to impart to the audience while you're here?
Phoury Bun 06:04
Thank you for the question. It's actually a question that I need to summarize the key findings. I want to talk about the methodology a bit first. Because in this study, we employ an explanatory, sequential designs of mixed methods. We have the data, country representative data from the Cambodian Demographic and Health Survey in 2021 and 2022 which, like I said earlier, it's country wide data. But on top of that, we also had 61 focus group discussion with different stakeholders, Key Informant Interviews (KIIs) with ministry and development partners to understand broadly, not just the policy level of how Cambodia have done so far in terms of developing different policy and action in order to support information accessibility for persons with disability in Cambodia, but also we trying to access so far, with what type of information that person with disability in Cambodia have access to, how do they access to it through what kind of mode or platforms, and what are the challenges that they encounter throughout accessing those kind of information. But on top of that, we also trying to access what types of information do they need more in the future? So in terms of the policy and implementation for Cambodia, we still a little bit behind. Of course, so far, at the policy level, Cambodia does not have specific legal framework to really support information accessibility for persons with disability. Yet even though there is some statement about it, those kinds of policies or legal documents are very brief and vague, especially for persons with disabilities. So when you have a vague policy document, you cannot imagine a very good implementation of practice at the practical level. So these are more like the broad sense and in terms of the current information that they access so far, socio and cultural information is the top one information that persons with disability in Cambodia have access to. And interestingly, education information is the least one that they access to. But at the same time, when we ask, what type of information do they need more in the future. Economic information becomes the top one, and they need more of job opportunities that can employ them, give them a wage also. Interestingly, education now become the top two information that they need most. However, general education and higher education is not what they really need, but they demand more of the vocational and technical skills, this kind of education and training, they can get skills and be able to get employed right away after the training. So these are just some of the highlights. But of course, at the same time how they access this kind of information, there are a lot of challenges, like I mentioned earlier. At the policy level, there's no much support yet. But on top of the policy level, they also encounter discrimination, either at the workplace or at the society, even in their own family, they face some sort of discrimination, and in Cambodia, there's not much of assistive technology that can help with different types of disability. Actually, development partners have tried their best through using and delivering or disseminating different kinds of information through different kind of mechanism and platform. However, regardless of the number or platform that they use, the information that they disseminate if they do not produce it in an accessible way to accommodate with different types of disability, regardless of the modes that they use. It doesn't go to the people with disability anyway. So it's not on the number of mode, but also on how the format and accessibility of that information. So these are just some of the highlights.
Amita Monterola 10:04
So on that question, do you think that the development partners are building sustainable models at the at the civil society level? I think
Phoury Bun 10:13
Yes, so far, because what I have seen is the pattern is that they do not just give grants, but they also provide capacity development. And I think in there some sort of arrangement or contract, it's stated clearly. And I have also observed this kind of pattern, is that after they receive some after the civil society receive some sort of training, they need to continue providing more training to the rest of the beneficiary at the ground level. So they taking turn providing capacity development and knowledge sharing to the rest of the people in the community. And I think on top of the capacity development, what the development partners are also trying to do, it's also develop these kind of guidelines. So even if they cannot touch much on the policy level they're trying to, they try their best to work with ministry to develop this kind of National Guidelines or framework. So it's not really a policy or law that you need to abide to, but you have some sort of guidelines that everyone can look upon too. So if you want to do some sort of infrastructure that accommodate different type of disability, you have this kind of guidelines that the development partner work closely with the ministry, let's say infrastructure, so they can look upon for those guidelines as a reference when they build new infrastructure and stuff.
Amita Monterola 11:31
What are the next steps? How do you put your research findings to either civil society members or to the government? What are the next steps for your research?
Phoury Bun 11:41
It's actually in our high level recommendations. We have, of course, we have different recommendations to different stakeholders. So for the policy makers, especially to the government, what we recommend and what we try to advocate for, it is for them to actually fasten the process of developing the Law on Access to Information, and because now, in terms of guidelines on like the National Guidelines on Information Accessibility is not yet in place, so a very practical one would be for development partners and civil society which have expertise in information accessibility for persons with disability. It's to help develop this kind of National Guidelines and put it out to public, as well as to have some sort of capacity training for them. I think for Cambodia, we do not have to reinvent the wheel of developing new assistive technology. There's also different technology out there. It's just that how we can contextualize those kind of technology for Cambodia. So if those who already have expertise in the other country, they can just come and work with the local expertise, so that we can work together in a more collaborative way to develop that guideline and implement it. That would be the immediate recommendation and stepping forward for me right now. Thank you.
Ruth Honculada-Georget 13:05
My name is Ruth Honculada-Georget and I work with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations in the Philippines.
Amita Monterola 13:14
And what are the insights and observations that you've brought to the Australasian aid conference this year?
Ruth Honculada-Georget 13:19
FAO in the Philippines addresses various disaster related interventions. One of them that we're trying to promote is this whole issue of anticipatory action. So how can we respond ahead of a disaster and using social protection systems to be able to scale up that response? So far, what we've seen in country is that if you're able to provide additional cash assistance or evacuate boats or evacuate livestock, you're able to protect and mitigate the sources of income of small farm holders and fisher folk, and the cost of doing that is just $1 as compared to the amount that you will be using ex-post after a disaster. So we've seen that this has gained a lot of momentum in the country. But what's important is that we don't see it as a one off solution. We link this concept of anticipatory action within the continuum of Disaster Risk Reduction and Management, and further looking at it from a context of climate change adaptation. So while we're addressing the needs of fisher folk and farmers before, during and after a disaster, we need to be cognizant that there are bigger things in terms of climate change that we need to also address.
Amita Monterola 14:42
I was very interested to learn in the last few months that the Philippines is going to be the host country for the institution named the Fund Responding to Loss and Damage. I'm just wondering, what is the atmosphere of the environment around the issue of climate change in the Philippines.
Ruth Honculada-Georget 15:02
As you know, the Philippines is number one in the World Risk Report since 2022 so that, in itself, tells us a lot that we, in the Philippines is just a disaster prone country. In the past, we would say that we would have anywhere between an average of 20 typhoons in a year. In the last three months, we've had six typhoons, consecutive typhoons in various strengths. The last one was a super typhoon, just wrecking havoc in the entire agricultural sector, which is really where you have the poorest and the most vulnerable sectors. So we really need to be able to address this. Hopefully the damage and loss facility that's hosted by the Philippine government will provide more opportunities for countries such as ours to be able to respond better look at innovations, look at more collaborations across different stakeholders, to be able to really address this issue of climate change.
Amita Monterola 16:02
And what kind of message do you want to send to donor countries, such as Australia, in terms of supporting maybe the Fund for responding to loss and damage, or maybe some other types of climate resilient and climate financing funds.
Ruth Honculada-Georget 16:18
For the Food and Agriculture Organization, we put emphasis on the most damaged sector, which is the agricultural sector. When 40% of your population rely on agriculture, that speaks a lot about what needs to be addressed. We're not saying humanitarian relief is not important, but when the relief ends, we need to be more strategic in providing support to help the sector go immediately, get back on their feet without having to wait for three months, six months, even a year, before Additional support is provided. And to us at FAO, we see anticipatory action as a real strategy to be able to mitigate and protect livelihood assets and get our farmers and fisherfolk out immediately after a disaster.
Amita Monterola 17:12
So you're going to pilot that in the Philippines, and then will it be rolled out within the near region or further afield?
Ruth Honculada-Georget 17:20
Well, actually the pilot that we're doing right now is already being implemented, so it's called B-SPARED. It's in partnership with the Department of Social Welfare and Development. So B-SPARED is building on social protection for anticipatory action in response to emergencies and disasters. It's a long acronym, but the whole concept is, if we can use the registries that are existing within government, that while we're piloting it to a few hundred, if we scale up using the existing registry, the poverty registry, for example, we can create more impact. So what we bring to the table is the experience of a pilot project, and hopefully collaborating with Development Pathways and other like minded organizations, we are able to scale up that approach. Of course, from the FAO perspective, we want to bring in the evidence. Why should it make sense? Why do we need to scale up?
Amita Monterola 18:18
So you'll start with the Philippines, and then perhaps take it to other countries.
Ruth Honculada-Georget 18:22
That's a good point. In fact, this whole concept is not only for the Philippines. FAO has been implementing this concept in five different countries, Vietnam, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Laos and the Philippines, but the Philippines, at this point, has been able to take that another step forward in terms of being able to put it in policies, being able to push the agenda. You know, other countries are still working on their social protection system, whereas in the Philippines, we already have a robust system that we can immediately latch on.
Jack Hennessy 19:00
My name is Jack Hennessy, and I'm a PhD candidate at Monash University, at the Centre for Health Economics there, and I'm also the Senior Health Economist for the Fred Hollows Foundation.
Amita Monterola 19:11
So what aspects of your PhD work did you present in the panel discussion?
Jack Hennessy 19:17
I presented, essentially the first stage of my primary research. It's actually like, I'm very close to the end of my PhD at the moment, or meant to be, anyway, but, but we had sort of some pretty significant results in a discrete choice experiment that that I ran. So essentially, a discrete choice experiment is a sort of form of econometric survey that we use to try and, I guess, disaggregate what what parts of a program or a policy are most important to people. And so the policy that we focused on was Australian development, Australian health aid and its allocation to Indonesia. So our bigresearch question is essentially what parts and what modifiable aspects of Australia's aid program might be most important to the Australian public. So when we did this research, we surveyed a whole bunch of Australians, and they were acting sort of as, I guess, democratic donors or Democratic voters who were voting. We were asking them, how should Australians distribute the international development aid to Indonesia? In this case, because it's a country that Australians are really familiar with, and a lot of people understand we give quite a bit of aid to Indonesia. What we essentially found a few things that, first of all, effectiveness is really important to Australian donors. This is kind of against... I was actually in the sort of economic statecraft, or statecraft of aid panel session. And a lot of the time people think we're only giving aid and certainly aid practitioners and researchers think we're just giving aid to have political influence in different countries, but certainly for Australians and an Australian public. They thought that if aid is not effective, we shouldn't be giving it. Strategic stuff was actually thrown out in the focus groups that we did to try and initially determine what might be most important. I guess the second biggest finding, and certainly what we're framing our paper around, is that Australians and the Australian public - we had a really large representative sample of the Australian public. So we had about 1500 people who completed the survey, which was far beyond the power we needed to get statistical significance in the method that we chose. And we asked two questions related to sort of locally led development or recipient control of aid. And essentially, Australians didn't want to give aid as cash to people in Indonesia and specifically, and they didn't want to give aid if recipients had control over the aims and control over the implementation. So it kind of goes against what we all think when we're pushing towards locally led development. And local control of aid, etc. Certainly it points to a big, big disparity between what the Australian public and voters might think about aid and what they want is donor control, donor implementation, less cash aid, more technical assistance, compared to a practitioners who say the opposite, right? We all just want to give recipient countries, lots and lots of power, lots of control, lots of implementation. And our findings again that there's this huge disparity between the Australian population and potentially, you know, DFAT aid practitioners, etc,
Amita Monterola 22:33
In terms of your thesis, what is the next stage of using those results?
Jack Hennessy 22:39
The next stage, obviously, we're working on a publication for the results that we've got, and that fingers crossed, you know, isn't, isn't too far away from at least submission. Economics journalists tend to take their time to get back to us, so I don't know when we see that, but we're going to probably publish it as a working paper in the next few weeks, likely. And the next step is to look at the opposite side of the spectrum. So we've looked at preferences for a donor population. But a big question, and what I guess, essentially inspired this PhD in this thesis, was, what if we could compare donor preferences and recipient preferences across the same set of attributes or characteristics that describe aid programs, and would there be this contrasting distance difference? So we're implementing at the moment, it's about to go live. We're doing a survey in Indonesia of potential aid recipients, so typically, low income, low education individuals in Indonesia to understand their preferences across the same set of characteristics. So, people in Indonesia who might receive aid, do they care about the effectiveness of age? Do they care about the cost? Do they want control? Or would they prefer donor control? Do they want more aid to go to women and children? All these type of types of characteristics that we use to characterize the Australian aid program. We're going to essentially compare what recipients think to what donors think. And I think we'll probably find some pretty interesting results. So, you know, if by the middle of the year we had, you know, so sort of June 2025 we had a pretty good idea of what the recipient survey results are saying, I think we'd be looking really strongly to start sort of bringing that together as a paper and maybe some presentations figures cross, maybe at the next, next, next ACC conference.
Amita Monterola 24:35
Turning to the 3MAP competition. What drew you to this unique competition, which combines something like a university's Three Minute Thesis, where you've only got three minutes to put forward your ideas, and the idea of a an aid pitch, or presenting a big idea to the aid and development community? What caught your eye about that challenge?
Jack Hennessy 25:02
I like presenting, and I try and present as much as I can. And I my supervisor, Rowan, he'd actually been to the Australian aid conference a few times before, and said that he enjoyed the three minute aid pitch. He thought it was a really fun session that a lot of people went to, you know, sort of a good conclusion of the conference, and a bit light hearted, which I kind of was, was excited about, maybe I own a bit too light hearted in mine. But it was just the opportunity. I'd done three minute theses before and really enjoyed them. I really enjoyed distilling my work down and all my ideas, down into a succinct narrative. I go to a lot of economics presentations, and sometimes, you know, you spend 40 minutes talking about the method of a particular paper, and you get to talk about the results for five minutes. So it was a good opportunity not to have to do that. And so that's sort of what drew me to it in the first place.
Amita Monterola 26:01
And could you talk us through how you put yours together in terms of choosing a topic and choosing a method of presentation?
Jack Hennessy 26:11
So I My topic was sort of related to my thesis, in terms of I was arguing that we should essentially ask potential aid beneficiaries or aid recipients what they want when it comes to development aid. And I was kind of trying to make the point that I didn't want us just to because we talk a lot about, you know, locally led development and recipient control, etc. But often it's these elites or these, you know, local governments that actually end up controlling the aid rather than the beneficiaries themselves. So I wanted to sort of disaggregate that idea and say, Hey, let's talk to all the potential aid recipients. And I did want to choose a topic that would, I guess, not necessarily be realistic. I think I was arguing that we should implement recipient surveys in all countries sort of before we give aid to it. I'm not sure that's entirely realistic, but I just wanted to choose something that that got people thinking, I guess, from that respect, and I kind of wanted to choose a relatively simple idea. I guess because we only really have three minutes to do it, I ended up trying to relate my ideas to like popular songs. So All You Need Is Love by the Beatles became all you need is aid effectiveness.
Amita Monterola 27:22
In terms of the the experience of attending the conference and perhaps some contact with the sector that you had after the conference. What was the feedback like from people after your presentation, after your aid pitch?
Jack Hennessy 27:37
The feedback after my after my presentation, was really good, I guess I was presenting on a topic that obviously, when for the actual presentations on the panel that I was part of, people sort of gravitate to the ones that they're necessarily interested in. So we had a, we had a really packed room and people that were interested in it. And it really exceeded my expectations. I thought I'm on a pretty, pretty esteemed panel, and it's a tangential bit of research that I'm presenting, but the feedback was awesome. So I was stuck in the room talking to people for half an hour afterwards. Lots of people from from ANU, lots of people from DFAT, lots of people from media organizations were all really interested in it. So it really surprised me, and in a really good way, how much people interacted in it and were interested in it. I'm still following up with five or six different people about maybe presenting at various DFAT brown bag sessions and talking to some some media about some articles and things like that. So it's been really awesome. I didn't really expect that, particularly for my my presentation, but the feedback has been, been unreal. And it's still sort of paying off. I was really humbled by how everyone, how open everyone was, and the type of people that I got to meet. You know, you're meeting, having one on ones with, you know, sort of senior DFAT officials who experts in localization and talking about your research. And then you meeting, obviously, everyone from the Development Policy Center who also open and, you know, sort of ready to talk to you and come up and make you feel supported. I really didn't know so many people at the event. You know, I had a few people that I knew from my work with the foundation and and Rowan, my supervisor, was kind enough to come up as well. But apart from that, I was just meeting so many people and having great conversations. And there was no sort of egos in the room, and there was no, you know, no hierarchy about people who've been working with for the sector for 40 years versus, you know, early career researchers, or people who've been in it a little bit shorter period. So it was awesome. Everyone was open. Everyone was great to chat to. And it was a very welcoming environment, I would say.
Amita Monterola 30:10
You've been listening to three speakers from the 2024 Australasian AID conference. We've started off with Phoury Bun from the Cambodia Development Resource Institute. Then we heard from Ruth Hunaculada-Georget from the Food and Agriculture Organization based in the Philippines. And finally, Jack Hennessy, a PhD candidate from Monash University. You can download their presentations from the show notes and the ANU Devpolicy website, along with links to many other conference presentations and recordings of selected sessions too. Now that you're feeling inspired to join us at AAC2025, let's welcome back our Senior Research Officer Cameron Hill, to talk about how you can apply to present a paper or organize a panel. Cam, perhaps we should take a step back and talk about the various events we run at the Development Policy Centre before we talk about the AID conference specifically.
Cameron Hill 31:07
This year in 2025 we are planning to run a full gamut of three conferences. So that includes the Pacific update, which we convene with the University of the South Pacific in Suva Fiji, the PNG update, which we convene with the University of png in Port Moresby. And, of course, this Australasian AID Conference, which we convene here at the Crawford school in partnership with the Asia Foundation.
Amita Monterola 31:40
Okay, so turning to the aid conference, what should people think about when submitting an abstract?
Cameron Hill 31:45
So we usually put out the call for papers out in around July, and we do include in the call for papers a list of indicative topics around issues like aid effectiveness, the political economy of aid policy. So those topics will be released when we call for papers. But I think it's really important, obviously, that in putting together a submission for a panel or a paper, you know that that there's a clear kind of evidence base that the paper is organized around, and that it has kind of clear kind of policy implications for practitioners or aid policy makers. So the two categories of submissions are panels, which is a group of people and a panel chair, or individual abstracts that we then group into panels along thematic lines. We do really want to encourage more researchers from developing countries, both within our region and beyond, and also postgraduates who are studying at Australian universities. We really want to encourage the new generation of aid and development researchers and practitioners, and we want to be able to use the network opportunities that the conference provides, you know, to to to help integrate them into the sector and to help their career development. So that's what we'll be looking for as we assess the submissions this year.
Amita Monterola 33:16
So when you respond to any of the call for papers, for Devpolicy events, an important section to complete is the question about eligibility for conference support. Can you tell us who's eligible for assistance for the Australasian AID conference?
Cameron Hill 33:30
So we have two categories of conference support. So for speakers and presenters that are traveling from a developing country and are a citizen of a developing country, we do provide a fee waiver. So we waive the conference fee for those speakers, and then for post graduates who are studying at an Australian university. We provide travel support in the form of meeting the cost of air fares and accommodation for their travel to Canberra. So they're the two main areas of support, or types of support we provide, and when you're filling out your submission to present at the conference, please let us know if you fall into one of those categories.
Amita Monterola 34:12
Now one thing we don't help out with directly is getting a visa into Australia. So what should researchers know about that process?
Cameron Hill 34:24
I think the main thing is to, if you're coming from another country that requires a visa to enter Australia, you know, start that process as early as possible. I think that's the main advice I'd give. But Yeah, unfortunately, we can't do much to help that process.
Amita Monterola 34:40
Thanks for joining us today, Cam. We hope this episode has been helpful so you can plan your involvement with the region's premier aid and international development event, the 2025 Australasian aid Conference, which will be held in Canberra from the third to the fifth December. Importantly, that is Wednesday to Friday. To hear the latest on the AAC call for papers, ticket sales and all the information about our other Devpol events, please subscribe to our fortnightly newsletter at devpolicy.org/subscribe and don't forget to subscribe to our podcast so you can catch the next episode of Devpolicy Talks in a fortnight's time.
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